THIS is Why Lapping Your Cooler is SO Important!!

2021 27 ژانویه
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I have been struggling on trying to reach my overclocking goals which has caused me to ignore something that is so obvious...
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  • i havent subbed? wat

    Al QadrAl Qadrپیش 11 ساعت
  • Novice PC builder here and I have no idea what he's doing. Why am I watching this? I don't know, but it looks pretty cool.

    Patrick Pereira VieiraPatrick Pereira Vieiraپیش 13 ساعت
  • Jay seems quite out of breath in this one. Is that related to his Covid recovery? He sounds like a 60 year old smoker

    Fustard ButtBurgerFustard ButtBurgerپیش 2 روز
  • This may be dumb but isn't there just a dye difference could you try more cards to see what has a better dye?

    NEO geekNEO geekپیش 2 روز
  • Why u said before crushing what could make it crush

    Dope ListDope Listپیش 2 روز
  • *Good video, but it's important to tell newcomers, that before lapping they have to ensure that they will be able to make a proper pressure between GPU/CPU and block. If the water block or cooler (especially GPU block) has mounting screws with stoppers, after lapping 0.5mm they may never make proper contact. Lapping is good but must be done properly*

    EZ PC TECHEZ PC TECHپیش 2 روز
  • I'm so confused at what's going on. :')

    Tov WTov Wپیش 2 روز
  • To use this bar, the item to sand should definitely mounted in the middle. Sandings should be at a 90º angle. (0º and 90º only. Not 45s) Material will warp rather significantly at the operating temperatures, so ideally, sanding should be done at those (or aprox) temperatures. (Not criticizing, just sharing knowledge)

    Xpim 3DXpim 3Dپیش 3 روز
  • "because glass is perfectly flat" Now that is absolutely not true! The surface of glass is far from flat. Its wavy. It is coming from the manufacturing method and the state that glass is in (overcooled liquid). It can only be somewhat flat if you sand it flat.

    Egyenes KifliEgyenes Kifliپیش 4 روز
  • You should run a serious dehumidifier before you run these tests. Get that room as "dry" as possible.

    T2020T2020پیش 4 روز
  • Anyone know does this work for Ps4 pro heatsink too? Thanks. 👍

    Jacob 5166Jacob 5166پیش 4 روز
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    Ysa PenaYsa Penaپیش 5 روز
  • The what now?

    Svetozar StojkovSvetozar Stojkovپیش 5 روز
  • Don’t use tape to hold down the sandpaper, use water, it makes it stick and makes it actually flat, also use higher grits from the beginning, it doesn’t matter how long it takes but it definitely matters how much material is left on the contact and the total surface area for thermal paste to fill

    Schnozistan CzarSchnozistan Czarپیش 6 روز
  • I'm coming into this video without having watched any of the others in the series. I have one question. Why is there a cooler block on a brick?

    MrGrumblierMrGrumblierپیش 10 روز
  • I'd rather watch this than most of Linus' new videos.

    RogueStatusWolfRogueStatusWolfپیش 10 روز
  • I have no idea whats going on/what any of that means, but I'm pretty sure its alchemy with a dash of witchcraft...

    Aree MadyAree Madyپیش 14 روز
  • I used to work in a precision metrology lab where we made the tools used to make the computer chips. Precision down to millionths of an inch. We did it with lapping.

    Sean ConradSean Conradپیش 16 روز
  • Why?

    Gus TwittyGus Twittyپیش 17 روز
  • No jay i disagree you need to put the piece down and move the glass which is flat and even weighted it is not possible to make it perfect if the piece is shaped like that and when you are using sandpaper it is sanding not lapping The water is important so the copper is not rubbing on sanded copper (and pieces that break from sandpaper) rather on the sandpaper it will be coarse if you dont use running water

    b3rkb3rkپیش 18 روز
  • Can someone explain to me. Isn't the thermal compound suppose to help with all the imperfections? It doesn't have to be machined 100% if you there is no direct contact between the cooler and the gpu, as there is a thermal paste in between?

    Paul JJPaul JJپیش 18 روز
  • I guess for smaller coolers you could also use sharpening stones.

    berlinerberlinerپیش 19 روز
  • Sounds like someone needs some machining tools for their birthday 🤣

    Anthony BairAnthony Bairپیش 21 روز
  • What a hassle for some useless fps. People like Jay don't even play games. They sit and tweak them and never play. lol It really defeats the enjoyment of even having a decent card if you never enjoy it. Who cares if you have a high benchscore. Is it going to really make a difference while playing a regular game on a high end card? I overclock to possibly gain a resolution bump or settings bump that can keep me at around 60fps for modern games like CyberPunk, Watch Dogs, AC Valhalla, etc. This extreme overclocking is really just silly.

    Shawn Paul Zuccarello AsburyShawn Paul Zuccarello Asburyپیش 21 روز
  • figure 8's are a better technique for lapping

    sledman3000sledman3000پیش 21 روز
  • Why not center the copper heat sink in the center of the weight not off to one side?

    nitefalcon7nitefalcon7پیش 22 روز
  • First cooler that I lapped was way back for my overheating AMD Athlon XP. It had nowhere enough cooling capacity (fully coated Al) but worked wonders, reducing about 6°Celsius. If I’m not mistaken, I went up to 8000 grit, with lots of water, over a granite sink. Sharpie method was used to check for bad spots that needed further work, as well as isopropyl alcohol to clean everything between each check. Also, never ever touch the prepped surface, oils from your fingers will interfere if you’re going for the “micron/mirror finish”. I wish I still had that time and will, to lap the IHS of an old Xeon that I have running overclocked and undervolted...

    Rhobson VanzellaRhobson Vanzellaپیش 22 روز
  • @2:23 "... because glass is perfectly flat." Send in the trolls.

    fezzik1620fezzik1620پیش 22 روز
  • Great idea with the Vaseline. When winter surfing we put Vaseline on our faces being the only exposed skin, it helps a bit with not loosing as much heat from the skin and helps with the wind not being as harsh.

    toesnosetoesnoseپیش 22 روز
  • "Today we're taking you along for a lapping ride" At least buy me a drink first

    ShamanShamanپیش 22 روز
  • bro there aint no way anyone is going to be doing this to their graphics card, not in this current time where graphics cards are out of stock everywhere let alone the fact that they are expensive. I think everyone is happy with the overclocks they get out of the box. Your lucky you have a whole studio filled with hardware, anyone else does this and messes it up then they are done for. Appreciate the vids though.

    SopranoSopranoپیش 22 روز
  • As a high precision machinist, this makes me cringe hard, love the channel btw.

    Andrew IrvingAndrew Irvingپیش 23 روز
  • good one you jay you got past joe yay😉😉😉☺☺😃😃😃😁😁

    John-Paul TolczykJohn-Paul Tolczykپیش 24 روز
  • So it was the mount all along...

    SquinoogleSquinoogleپیش 24 روز
  • I don't think lapping an AIO is a good idea... re your introduction. A) it's difficult to even lap with the hoses B) its difficult to test how flat it is in comparison to a IHS/custom loop block

    A kind of legacyA kind of legacyپیش 24 روز
  • If air and moisture is the problem, why not just put the test rig in a box where you can pump in argon to keep away moisture and leave a piece that inserts into the LN2 enclosure/box and seal that with vaseline as a temp O-ring. I can draw something crude up if you need the idea.

    TheMaverickSpawnTheMaverickSpawnپیش 24 روز
  • Mmmmm nope... not doing this

    MMپیش 25 روز
  • 16:27 Haha the moment where you put so much pressure on the mount that you can read the "nvidia" on the cooler xD

    FOCFOCپیش 25 روز
  • LTT water bottle lol Linus would be proud.

    Juan ZJuan Zپیش 25 روز
  • Did you know lapping of high presicion measureingbloks for cnc industri ect. Are so high flatness, and low surface roughness, that if you "turn" Them together they Are like magnet because air have troubble to enter the seem?

    Brian Brinck-JensenBrian Brinck-Jensenپیش 26 روز
  • Some people like Kingpin will use a scotch-brite pad after lapping to actually micro scratch the surface to give the TIM "Bite" I have seen him say this a few times, mostly for CPU ihs's but i see no reason it wouldn't apply to the LN2 pot also.

    R3drumG33kR3drumG33kپیش 26 روز
  • How does the clamp on the back side of the GPU not crush all the little metal bits on the back of the die?

    D. B.D. B.پیش 26 روز
  • I'm a machinist and if you are wanting to lap to a truly flat condition, get another block of copper about the same size as your heatsink. You can get the two copper blocks close to flat with each other, but then use a bit of grinding compound and lap all three together, one of the copper blocks will be extra. Lap A-B, B-C, C-A over and over. Doing this will get you a truly flat surface (down to microns) if done with progressively finer grit. Called "The Rule of Three", you can't have a truly flat surface until you lap three different surfaces together.

    Chris LutesChris Lutesپیش 26 روز
  • Jay, as a car guy and aircraft engine guy I've done my share of lapping on seals... May I suggest rather than a N/S/E/W method of lapping, using a figure 8.

    Ken KingKen Kingپیش 26 روز
  • Did he crack the die with that big clamp?

    JAYJAYپیش 26 روز
  • I wonder if the reason there is a sweet spot for the grit you want to use is because a mirror smooth finish has less surface area then one that is rough, but if its too rough then the surface ends up having too deep of peaks and valleys reducing contact plus the paste settles thick enough to insulate in the valleys? You know Jay, if you put the rig into a vented container and use your nitrogen to gas purge said container and then after keep a positive flow of nitrogen it would displace the air and prevent the water vapor from ever reaching your rig. No more frost! :D.

    Cale HoweCale Howeپیش 26 روز
  • I remember lapping the GPU die on my GeForce 256 pro ddr back in 2000. It was mounted in BP6 running dual celeron 433 running at nearly 650mhz. That machine flew in CS and quake. Had cooling blocks from Swift Tech. I used an engineering gauge block made of metal that was perfectly flat. Probably knocked about 10-15 degrees off. Used to sand away through the alloy to the cooper and then stop.

    Jimmy 80808Jimmy 80808پیش 27 روز
  • Not necessarily. Sometimes the gaps are intentionally introduced due to thermal dynamics and better heat redistribution between the compound that fits in those and the opposing surface. That way, the surface area is bigger if you multiply the number of rows and Pi/4 by half the diameter of each gap row. If you flatten these imperfections, in some cases you can even get worse thermals. Lapping is a matter of the past when we didn't have very precise manufacturing processes of blocks and heatsinks.

    cyberthief183cyberthief183پیش 27 روز
  • Nice Job Jay. Damn near perfection and your results show it. I love how you mention that the flatness needs to be with in microns to achieve those results. It really voices the spectrum of accuracy needed. Proud of you!

    brAce4AcebrAce4Aceپیش 27 روز
  • $NOK to the moon 💎🙌🚀🚀🚀🌝

    BaTtl3fR3aKk2oBaTtl3fR3aKk2oپیش 27 روز
  • Don’t stop this series!!

    Brandon HuynhBrandon Huynhپیش 27 روز
  • I thought spread your paste is bad? : o

    MendoraMendoraپیش 27 روز
  • Jay! I work with machine tools and lapping pc parts never occurred to me until today. If you want something scientifically, certified flat, pick up a small granite surface plate. They can be bought for less than 50 usd and have various tolerances, usually starting at .0002”/ft flatness. I doubt you’ll see this, but to anyone interested there ya go. I could link a vendor I use for work if there’s interest. Fine mist the surface with water and your sandpaper sticks to it.

    Jon BarrettJon Barrettپیش 27 روز
  • Awesome video, Jay! Just a quick question. LN2 cooling seems to always be plagued by condensation and trying to avoid it. Is there any value in submerging the components in oil to keep water away from the components while they are cooled below freezing?

    whydoidoitwhydoidoitپیش 27 روز
  • loving this mediocre science series, Jay :-P

    WH LewisWH Lewisپیش 27 روز
  • listen man!!! you're over here trying to get the most FPS and ect. i just want to pc parts to upgrade my 3rd gen pc. id be happy with what most others have.

    TheRealDocTheRealDocپیش 27 روز
    • @lx Video Stuff lol never once complained. I’m speaking my own opinion. Same as you about your “1st gen”

      TheRealDocTheRealDocپیش 26 روز
    • someone just gave me a 1st gen to use. what are you complaining of :D my q9400 was still running anything, though.

      lx Video Stufflx Video Stuffپیش 26 روز
  • This is "Sanding", lapping would get the surface so smooth that it would stick (pretty well at that) to a bare die with no thermal compound.

    BlackHeartScytherBlackHeartScytherپیش 27 روز
  • COVID exists BTW.

    FTW TechFTW Techپیش 27 روز
  • Use machinist's dye (or color it completely with a Sharpie) when you think you are close. A few strokes and the high spots will be shiny and the low spots will be colored. Also works well for identifying contact areas for precision moving parts...close-tolerance bearings, firearms parts, etc.

    Kevin CrosbyKevin Crosbyپیش 28 روز
  • Hey Jay I just had an idea that might help with your mounting pressure, but I'm not sure how exactly how you could implement it. Basically the idea is to just use a torque wrench so you can set the pressure and test around with that.

    sw1ft3sw1ft3پیش 28 روز
  • Just to add my 3700x is boosting to 4.5Ghz single core now I lapped my water block

    lefizz55lefizz55پیش 28 روز
  • ice free LN2....?? have you tried placing your LN2 rig in a plastic tub and then flooding the tub with nitrogen gas....?? nitrogen will pool and push out all of the ambient air... no air, no moisture no moisture , no dew point... no dew point, no icing....!! run colder for longer... give it a go...

    Peter ChiltonPeter Chiltonپیش 28 روز
  • the human race is known across the universe for the useless things it does ...

    Mr.NobodyMr.Nobodyپیش 28 روز
  • What is he holding? Is this a series? Is there a playlist for this?

    MovableFreakMovableFreakپیش 28 روز
  • ❤️❤️❤️

    William HouseWilliam Houseپیش 28 روز
  • This is sanding, not lapping.

    TaipeekTaipeekپیش 28 روز
  • #glass is not perfectly flat ;)

    Ian RIan Rپیش 28 روز
  • CNC this and it will be flat as you can get...

    krolikkrolkrolikkrolپیش 28 روز
  • I'm a few minutes into this video. Does Jay ever say what lapping is? Seems relavent. I tried googling, but could only find instructions on how to lap. I just want, like, a quick definition so I know what this vid is about. Watched a fair amount of pc vids over the last 5 months, never heard anyone use that term.

    GoodRebelMusicGoodRebelMusicپیش 28 روز
  • lol, I lapped a Cooler Master V8 years ago and it actually knocked a few degrees off the temps of my Core i7-920

    m8x425m8x425پیش 28 روز
  • Did anyone already break it to Jay? That table is not flat. They make ultra flat work surfaces. That is not one. That glass is not flat. Not even close. He talks up precision and then uses the "by hand method" There are ways to accomplish this with precision. This is definitely not one of them. I can see Jay showing up to wet etch with a wooden table, a piece of glass and some sandpaper where they are looking at 30-50 Angstroms of etch rate.

    ihatemybossesihatemybossesپیش 28 روز
  • Have you ever considered renting a place in Arizona for a day? The super low humidity would prevent a lot of problems.

    Brandon FairchildBrandon Fairchildپیش 29 روز
  • Wow I have pasted a couple of gpu and never used that much paste so will try that next time thanks jay

    ade 1772ade 1772پیش 29 روز
  • Get a small granite surface plate if you want to make something flat.

    KenPaisleyKenPaisleyپیش 29 روز
  • And rubbing your fingers over the surface will leave oil on that surface, and reduce the effectiveness of the thermal paste.

    Peter Fielden-WestonPeter Fielden-Westonپیش 29 روز
  • Is your table level? Also you seem short of breath or is it a new mic? Great result btw.

    CephCephپیش 29 روز
  • Why would the thermal paste need something to stick to? The thermal paste is there to bridge gaps where the interface between the two surfaces has gaps in it. If there are no gaps at all, no thermal paste would be required. I think a mirror-finish would perform better than anything less than that.

    Tom WimmenhoveTom Wimmenhoveپیش 29 روز
  • rougher surface has a bigger area

    korre45korre45پیش 29 روز
  • i'm lapping my 780 gtx i hope it's turn into 3090

    trenbolonetrenboloneپیش 29 روز
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    K NK Nپیش 29 روز
  • thats is amazing boring

    SnapSnapپیش 29 روز
  • way !!! ?? omg extrem oc man ... expensiv

    Clau GM CMG AND PC STUF !!!Clau GM CMG AND PC STUF !!!پیش 29 روز
  • nice videos, but why arent you using liquid metal instead of thermal paste

    seyed chavoshiniaseyed chavoshiniaپیش 29 روز
  • Copper is not soft lol wtf are talking about

    michael mitmichael mitپیش 29 روز
  • #6 in the pointless pissing contest. Grats :p

    Ryan144Ryan144پیش 29 روز
  • Has anyone realized- put these components in outer space, or maybe on the Moon, or Mars (frozen CO2 all over) how will they act? Remember- the Space Shuttle would get into orbit, and open it's cargo doors; they were lined with coolant piping for onboard systems.

  • I want Jay to scream "Everything's crooked! life is poison! Lambs to the cosmic slaughter!" when he achieves perfect contact surface.

    Jarejander69Jarejander69پیش 29 روز
  • Still can't run Cyberpunk at 60fps with no DLSS

    TTپیش 29 روز
  • Keep goin, keep making OC videos. Its fun to watch.

    Galaxy-CatGalaxy-Catپیش 29 روز
  • You all may find this very hard to believe, but I have a 2700x that reaches 4.3ish(ac) with PE lvl4 on stock cooling(lapped) running 69c tops in most games. It makes a total difference unless you already have a mirror shine.

    FormulaTechFormulaTechپیش 29 روز
  • jay a surface plate and a dial test indicator would help show you where you need to remove more material. my 2 cents

    stephen kirbystephen kirbyپیش 29 روز
  • I told you Lap that Pot.

    Jim FlaggJim Flaggپیش ماه
  • Reminds me of making thin sections in a geology lab.

    SufinsilSufinsilپیش ماه
  • a figure-8 pattern is usually best when lapping, as it laps in "all directions"

    xSKOOBSxxSKOOBSxپیش ماه
    • ...and now I am having flashbacks to many hours in my younger days spent polishing fiber connectors....

      Kevin CrosbyKevin Crosbyپیش 28 روز
  • Now these tests in a walk-in freezer.

    Adam AhmedAdam Ahmedپیش ماه
  • ..a rough surface gives you a higher surface area.

    proinseas O'Kielligproinseas O'Kielligپیش ماه
  • It should be done by using the figure "8".

    erre berreerre berreپیش ماه
  • I use this on my balllllzzzz works great

    God Is goodGod Is goodپیش ماه
  • IMO, a bit more science. Going straight line over the same spot isn't a good idea when sanding.

    Karl JayKarl Jayپیش ماه
  • Came here for the home scale lapping. There was no lapping. Guess I'll go do some sanding instead then!

    Fowlmouth82Fowlmouth82پیش ماه